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The sound that made nobody at all
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Grid of nine album covers, titled "The sound that made nobody at all". Albums are: "All Hands on the Bad One" by Sleater-Kinney, "My War" by Black Flag, "Hounds of Love" by Kate Bush, "The Sunset Tree" by The Mountain Goats, "Stankonia" by Outkast, "Murder Ballads" by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, "In the Airplane Over the Sea" by Neutral Milk Hotel, "Frank's Wild Years" by Tom Waits, and "Discovery" by Daft Punk.
So far there have been roughly 359 acts (musical artists or bands) cited, plus 13 compilation albums/soundtracks. "Roughly" because for example do you count Elvis Costello and Elvis Costello & The Attractions as one act or two?
I aggregated the artists cited in everybody's My9Albums posts, because that's the way my mind works sometimes, and realized there were some interesting gaps -- artists people frequently consider influential or foundational (or just feel deeply, passionately about) but nobody here put 'em on their lists.
In addition to the pic above, some others that stood out in their absence: DJ Shadow, Big Black, Shellac, Tupac Shakur, Tortoise, Bright Eyes, Mogwai, Oasis, Sarah McLachlan, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Mekons, The Orb, Kanye West, Buzzcocks, Elvis Presley, Blur, Gorillaz, Soul Coughing, Sufjan Stevens, Lou Reed, Orbital, The National, Negativland, Eric B & Rakim, Carole King, Willie Nelson...
Eazy-E got a mention but NWA and Dr. Dre didn't. The Breeders did, Belly didn't. Jefferson Airplane but not Jefferson Starship or Hot Tuna. Weather Report and Herbie Hancock but not Return to Forever or Stanley Clarke.
This post has a heavy Gen-X bias because that's me. I'm curious what artists millennials assumed somebody would've cited but nobody did.
I aggregated the artists cited in everybody's My9Albums posts, because that's the way my mind works sometimes, and realized there were some interesting gaps -- artists people frequently consider influential or foundational (or just feel deeply, passionately about) but nobody here put 'em on their lists.
In addition to the pic above, some others that stood out in their absence: DJ Shadow, Big Black, Shellac, Tupac Shakur, Tortoise, Bright Eyes, Mogwai, Oasis, Sarah McLachlan, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Mekons, The Orb, Kanye West, Buzzcocks, Elvis Presley, Blur, Gorillaz, Soul Coughing, Sufjan Stevens, Lou Reed, Orbital, The National, Negativland, Eric B & Rakim, Carole King, Willie Nelson...
Eazy-E got a mention but NWA and Dr. Dre didn't. The Breeders did, Belly didn't. Jefferson Airplane but not Jefferson Starship or Hot Tuna. Weather Report and Herbie Hancock but not Return to Forever or Stanley Clarke.
This post has a heavy Gen-X bias because that's me. I'm curious what artists millennials assumed somebody would've cited but nobody did.
joffaboy
I reckon many folk, like me,would have found the restriction of only 9 artists would mean many important bands/ albums are missed. Given enough time, I could have come up with over 50 crucial artists & albums, no worries. I'm curious what fellow boomers come up with...
@joffaboy Sure. Each individual is going to leave out a lot. And there was far less overlap than I was expecting when I compiled the list. Still, it's surprising that some of the performers mentioned didn't make anybody's list even if I don't expect any specific person to cite them.
I've been surprised at the repeats of things i would have guessed to be more obscure - at least 5 people listed Eno, and 2 albums were each included twice (from memory, you probably have better stats).
Soul Coughing and Belly (or at least 4AD bands in general) would have made my list if i confined it to the '90s, they were both in heavy rotation for me.
Soul Coughing and Belly (or at least 4AD bands in general) would have made my list if i confined it to the '90s, they were both in heavy rotation for me.
Didn't want to miss out...
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I was out of town and was sick, so running a bit behind on my interneting. But this seemed like too much fun to miss out on.
It was tough narrowing this down. The majority of my listening over the years (I have music on most of day while I work, in the car, or working around the house) has typically been to find a good radio station and leave it on. I've also gone through a lot of phases with various artists and albums, where I listen a bunch but rarely revisit. Ultimately, I narrowed this down to albums that I both listened to extensively when I discovered them, and they stuck with me enough to listen again in the last year. These are also roughly in the order I discovered them.
Honorable mentions & other notes:
• I debated including The Who's Who Are You, which I distinctly remember my dad playing loud enough I could feel it in my chest on his Sansui/Altec Lansing system when I was REALLY little. Can't say I remember much beyond the title track though, and I haven't gone back to listening to their work.
• TMBG Flood probably belongs on this list as well, my mom had the tape and played it in the car pretty often.
• Peter Gabriel's Us might belong here, since it was the first album I bought.
• PC&L is really a proxy for all-things New Order up through Republic, which I was all-in on in high school (mid-90's).
• The Gang of Four album is a best-of, but at the time (high school) it was all I could find. It's actually a pretty solid compilation.
• I also debated including Eve from Cincinnati's Over-the-Rhine, the debut concert for which was the first concert I attended. OtR, along with The Afghan Whigs and Ass Ponys, were the big-three Cincinnati local alternative bands when I was in high school. Their newer work is much more folk than my taste, but they put on a good concert and my wife is a fan, so we still see them pretty regularly.
• Eno's Nerve Net was actually the first Eno I listened to, when I borrowed it from my friend's older brother. Still love the album, but I think Tiger Mountain holds up better.
• Strawberry is also a proxy for Wussy's entire catalog, who I somehow only recently got into (despite it being very much my taste both in principle and practice, and knowing the Ass Ponys back in the day). I think this might be the album I've listened to the most.
It was tough narrowing this down. The majority of my listening over the years (I have music on most of day while I work, in the car, or working around the house) has typically been to find a good radio station and leave it on. I've also gone through a lot of phases with various artists and albums, where I listen a bunch but rarely revisit. Ultimately, I narrowed this down to albums that I both listened to extensively when I discovered them, and they stuck with me enough to listen again in the last year. These are also roughly in the order I discovered them.
Honorable mentions & other notes:
• I debated including The Who's Who Are You, which I distinctly remember my dad playing loud enough I could feel it in my chest on his Sansui/Altec Lansing system when I was REALLY little. Can't say I remember much beyond the title track though, and I haven't gone back to listening to their work.
• TMBG Flood probably belongs on this list as well, my mom had the tape and played it in the car pretty often.
• Peter Gabriel's Us might belong here, since it was the first album I bought.
• PC&L is really a proxy for all-things New Order up through Republic, which I was all-in on in high school (mid-90's).
• The Gang of Four album is a best-of, but at the time (high school) it was all I could find. It's actually a pretty solid compilation.
• I also debated including Eve from Cincinnati's Over-the-Rhine, the debut concert for which was the first concert I attended. OtR, along with The Afghan Whigs and Ass Ponys, were the big-three Cincinnati local alternative bands when I was in high school. Their newer work is much more folk than my taste, but they put on a good concert and my wife is a fan, so we still see them pretty regularly.
• Eno's Nerve Net was actually the first Eno I listened to, when I borrowed it from my friend's older brother. Still love the album, but I think Tiger Mountain holds up better.
• Strawberry is also a proxy for Wussy's entire catalog, who I somehow only recently got into (despite it being very much my taste both in principle and practice, and knowing the Ass Ponys back in the day). I think this might be the album I've listened to the most.
"Second Toughest in the Infants" is another one that shaped what I want in music
@B6FA798A3449 It was a tough choice between that, Dubnobasswithmyheadman, and Beaucoup Fish. Ultimately I realized I'm more likely to listen to standout tracks on those two, but Second Toughest I leave on for the full album.
Your parents had good taste in music. My mom has the first Beatles album, but the only thing i remember my dad ever listening to was this one Whitney Houston cassette.
Also: coincidentally wearing my Wussy t-shirt today.
Also: coincidentally wearing my Wussy t-shirt today.
I got married!
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Us with our witnesses, French town hall
My 9
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Cover images:
Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92
Radiohead - In Rainbows
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III
Massive Attack - Collected
Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
Brian Eno - Another Green World
Röyksopp - Profound Mysteries
The Beatles - The Beatles (White Album)
Stevie Wonder - Songs In the Key of Life
Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92
Radiohead - In Rainbows
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III
Massive Attack - Collected
Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
Brian Eno - Another Green World
Röyksopp - Profound Mysteries
The Beatles - The Beatles (White Album)
Stevie Wonder - Songs In the Key of Life
A difficult task to select only 9 artists and 9 of their albums...
Once upon a time I was all-in on that Aphex Twin album.
In Rainbows ♡♡♡
Too soon?
This may not be safe for viewing at work.
my9albums.com
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I have been meaning to post a photo of these shelves for ages and realized that it would be a perfect substitute for the my9albums app, except I have to list out the album titles:
Brian Eno/David Byrne "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts"
King Crimson "Larks' Tongues in Aspic"
Autechre "Amber"
Jorge Ben "A Tábua de Esmeralda"
Can "Ege Bamyasi"
Parliament "Mothership Connection"
My Bloody Valentine "Loveless"
Velvet Underground "White Light/White Heat"
Stooges "Funhouse"
Brian Eno/David Byrne "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts"
King Crimson "Larks' Tongues in Aspic"
Autechre "Amber"
Jorge Ben "A Tábua de Esmeralda"
Can "Ege Bamyasi"
Parliament "Mothership Connection"
My Bloody Valentine "Loveless"
Velvet Underground "White Light/White Heat"
Stooges "Funhouse"
now THIS is a format i like
(also, a few months ago, my local record shop got a pristine 70s japanese pressing of "white light/white heat" and i'm so mad someone beat me to it)
(also, a few months ago, my local record shop got a pristine 70s japanese pressing of "white light/white heat" and i'm so mad someone beat me to it)
@niikuneko Oh wow, that would have been awesome to have. My copy is from the Sundazed Mono Boxset, which is fun but not necessarily the most fulfilling copy to have.
IRL version of this meme game is the best version
Me
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Me in shared with the sun behind
Went to a University of Oregon football game. First football game in decades. First sports game since my son left soccer.
EXTREMELY out of my comfort zone: massive crowd, deafening noise, logos and flashing lights everywhere, lines for expensive mediocre food. The next day I just hid in the basement and napped.
Had a great time though. Would go again sometime.
EXTREMELY out of my comfort zone: massive crowd, deafening noise, logos and flashing lights everywhere, lines for expensive mediocre food. The next day I just hid in the basement and napped.
Had a great time though. Would go again sometime.
Sko Ducks
🤘
Women Fish Men Fear
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Man wearing a t that has a photo of a fish-topped mermaid in a bikini, and reads
"Fish women love me
"I fear them"
"Fish women love me
"I fear them"
very true!
YES
"Why couldn't she be the other kind of mermaid? With a fish part on top and a lady part on the bottom?!"
--Phillip J Fry
--Phillip J Fry
Lures
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A pair of hot pants decorated with many fishing lures.
FISH WANT ME
WOMEN FEAR ME
WOMEN FEAR ME
It's a trap!
I'll bite
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grid of album covers
The Pogues - Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash
Trainspotting Soundtrack
Red Red Meat - Bunny Gets Paid
Godspeed You Black Emperor - Lift Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Songs Ohia - Magnolia Electric Co.
Tim Hecker - Radio Amor
The Breeders - Last Splash
Alton Ellis - Sings Rock and Soul
The Body - I Shall Die Here
Trainspotting Soundtrack
Red Red Meat - Bunny Gets Paid
Godspeed You Black Emperor - Lift Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Songs Ohia - Magnolia Electric Co.
Tim Hecker - Radio Amor
The Breeders - Last Splash
Alton Ellis - Sings Rock and Soul
The Body - I Shall Die Here
I'll admit each of these is doing a lot of heavy lifting and all are standing in for probably a dozen other somehow-related albums. I've arranged them sort of in chronological order of when they peaked in importance for me. First row is mainly high school, discovering strands of punk, electronic, new wave, and nascent indie rock; primarily finding new things by browsing in record stores. Second row is college, when my horizons really started to broaden (and maybe solidify a bit more). A lot of indie and college rock but also more complex electronic music. I learned more from the internet and file sharing, but also my college radio station where I DJed for a couple years and the itinerant record seller who showed up in our student center every couple of weeks. Third row is post-college (so we're really condensing things at this point…), both discovering the depths of albums I only knew the singles from when I was younger, digging deeper into soul, roots, and world music, and strains of heavy music that I've only really started vibing with in the last 10 years or so.
Ask me to do this on another day and the 9 would probably be totally different. In fact, here's a credible alternate list:
Pulp - This is Hardcore
Spoon - A Series of Sneaks
Husker Dü - New Day Rising
Pere Ubu - Cloudland
Philip Jeck - Vinyl Coda
Neil Young - Everyone Knows this is Nowhere
Moondog - Moondog
David Bowie - Lodger
Electrelane - The Power Out
Pulp - This is Hardcore
Spoon - A Series of Sneaks
Husker Dü - New Day Rising
Pere Ubu - Cloudland
Philip Jeck - Vinyl Coda
Neil Young - Everyone Knows this is Nowhere
Moondog - Moondog
David Bowie - Lodger
Electrelane - The Power Out
Mmmmm Jeck
flimsy
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<image of McDonald’s posting a happy national coming out day message>
“D+15 midterm indicator”
<image of Frank from Always Sunny in Philadelphia talking on the phone>
“So you come crawling back, you cheap sack of shit”
“D+15 midterm indicator”
<image of Frank from Always Sunny in Philadelphia talking on the phone>
“So you come crawling back, you cheap sack of shit”
100% on the Danny D quote here.
and they were ready
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ripping out bike lanes is premeditated road violence
be ready tuesday oct 13th.
over top of images of a red doug ford on blue background
be ready tuesday oct 13th.
over top of images of a red doug ford on blue background
🖤🤎🤍🩶💛🧡 And my loathing for Doug is renewed!
New kit
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A large format camera on a monorail and tripod. The back is green and we can see some black bellows in front. There is a light on a stand to the right and a backdrop pole with a sheet of acrylic resting on some trestle tables to the left and rear.
TL;DR I got a new camera back.
I am going to be a bit of a gear bore.
This came from Copenhagen for a very good price. It is an 8x10 > 5x7 reducing back made by Sinar. It means I can now shoot 4x5", 5x7" and 8x10" film (as well as a few other instant options in between).
5x7" black and white film is readily available. Colour is trickier. There is a camera maker in the US who puts in a special order with Kodak twice a year or so. I have ordered 100 sheets from him, which is now waiting with my mother-in-law (was due to visit this month but had to postpone). I have joked that that many sheets could well last me the rest of my life, but I suppose it all depends on how prolific I am.
In the interim, a German company have started making Large Format film including a colour 5x7 film.
https://www.optik-oldschool.com/collecti...
Sinar still make cameras today and all of the parts are interchangable, even this green back which was first made in the late 1940's.
It's taken me a few years to get to this point, but I am now in a position where I can shoot on many formats, with different set-ups, using a single, modular system.
I am going to be a bit of a gear bore.
This came from Copenhagen for a very good price. It is an 8x10 > 5x7 reducing back made by Sinar. It means I can now shoot 4x5", 5x7" and 8x10" film (as well as a few other instant options in between).
5x7" black and white film is readily available. Colour is trickier. There is a camera maker in the US who puts in a special order with Kodak twice a year or so. I have ordered 100 sheets from him, which is now waiting with my mother-in-law (was due to visit this month but had to postpone). I have joked that that many sheets could well last me the rest of my life, but I suppose it all depends on how prolific I am.
In the interim, a German company have started making Large Format film including a colour 5x7 film.
https://www.optik-oldschool.com/collecti...
Sinar still make cameras today and all of the parts are interchangable, even this green back which was first made in the late 1940's.
It's taken me a few years to get to this point, but I am now in a position where I can shoot on many formats, with different set-ups, using a single, modular system.
Humongous
my9(more)albums
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9 more albums...
David Greay - White Ladder
Empire of the Sun - Walking on a Dream
Raphael Saadiq - Stone Rollin'
Cornershop - When I was Born for the 7th Time
The Cult - Sonic Temple
Bowie - Hunky Dory
The The - Soul Mining
Singles - OST
Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty
David Greay - White Ladder
Empire of the Sun - Walking on a Dream
Raphael Saadiq - Stone Rollin'
Cornershop - When I was Born for the 7th Time
The Cult - Sonic Temple
Bowie - Hunky Dory
The The - Soul Mining
Singles - OST
Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty
9 wasn't enough. But now I'm realizing 18 isn't either. Oh well. I'll leave it at 18. Been fun watching everyone post their albums!
I hadn't thought about soundtrack compilation albums, this might change everything on my nine
@idogcow yea, I could probably do 9 just consisting of soundtrack comps.
anything but metric
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photo with the title "americans will use anything but the metric system"
photo shows what appears to be subfloor construction with pressed wood flooring held up by a joist. The joist has wording printed on the side that says "242 dicks"
photo shows what appears to be subfloor construction with pressed wood flooring held up by a joist. The joist has wording printed on the side that says "242 dicks"
👻
WIP: continued
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Square hole in a tree stump with tiny cones and a character
I will admit that only recently did it click for me that Tails' name, Miles Prower, is a speed pun. (Miles per hour)
Shout out for the worst bribe ever
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Screenshot from a video taken inside a car on what looks like a highway cloverleaf full of cars. It's night. In the background is a massive smoke and fire cloud streaming from what looks like multiple buildings in what could be an office complex. There's a long line of cars fleeing the fire.
No, this isn't Russia. The Houthis managed to hit Saudi Aramco's FUCKING HEADQUARTERS & corporate offices in Dharan. I'm mainly posting this here because a) I highly doubt it will get any coverage and b) someone risked their lives and freedom to get this video out*. It's sooooo bad the Saudis had to admit that there was "some debris" in the vicinity from an "intercepted missle" LOOOOOOOOLLLL
all those bribes & shit ruined by the inability to resist an attack on an airport
This really isn't funny - it's part of a massive escalation - but it IS just so full of irony.
*Note: the attack has been verified, but whether or not this footage is real hasn't - but it could be, as the Aramco corporate offices have 4 giant hwy coverleafs right by them that take you on/off Aramco Road and that's what this viewpoint looks like. OTOH that's a lot of fire for an office. If verified one way or another I'll update or take it down.
aha, found a place you can watch the video: https://www.reddit.com/r...
UPDATE: "Aramco source to Reuters: the strike on Aramco's Dhahran headquarters damaged the complex's upper three floors and sparked a fire; building oversees onshore/offshore platforms, pipelines, refineries and export terminals." Oh, that's going to make things a little harder to fix when all those things are being bombed.
all those bribes & shit ruined by the inability to resist an attack on an airport
This really isn't funny - it's part of a massive escalation - but it IS just so full of irony.
*Note: the attack has been verified, but whether or not this footage is real hasn't - but it could be, as the Aramco corporate offices have 4 giant hwy coverleafs right by them that take you on/off Aramco Road and that's what this viewpoint looks like. OTOH that's a lot of fire for an office. If verified one way or another I'll update or take it down.
aha, found a place you can watch the video: https://www.reddit.com/r...
UPDATE: "Aramco source to Reuters: the strike on Aramco's Dhahran headquarters damaged the complex's upper three floors and sparked a fire; building oversees onshore/offshore platforms, pipelines, refineries and export terminals." Oh, that's going to make things a little harder to fix when all those things are being bombed.
From Russia With Love...
monkey see, monkey do.
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i may as well join the trend.
i ALMOST put "the fragile" on my list (in fact, my copy was literally sitting on top of my turntable as i was writing mine)
@nikkuneko that was the first tour concert i went to without parents, and perfect circle opened. i got kicked in the chest in the pit, and lost my glasses. such a great show
@cottenwess oh my goodness, what a choice first solo experience! i'm jealous, violence and all.
(to this day i've never gotten to see NIN live, though i did see perfect circle a year or two later when they toured on that first album. it was really cool, but their set was SO short!)
(to this day i've never gotten to see NIN live, though i did see perfect circle a year or two later when they toured on that first album. it was really cool, but their set was SO short!)
My 9
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9 album covers laid out in a 3X3 grid
Ok, tried to do this without deep thinking, just 9 cds I'd grab for a long road trip. Might revise & resubmit…
I haven't put Alphaville on in a long time. Adding it to the afternoon queue!
@homerj one of a small handful of LPs that I can just play thru the whole thing non-stop
all up in the
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advertisement for "fruit-nog mix"
The Knox That Wouldn't Die
you gonna call me a fruit-nog, you gonna call me it to my face
@nikkuneko ++
Grand Closing
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Foreground: Bright red and yellow pennant flags strung across a parking space. Background: A bank drive-up window with the shade down and a CLOSED sign. Another window above is partially covered with a piece of plywood.
that's great, love the composition
*wolf whistle*
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A color photograph of an item at a museum. "My photo shows an ancient Greek pottery bowl with a rounded, deep body, wide open mouth and flared rim. It has a large handle shaped like a human leg, extending from the left side of the bowl in my photo, bending at a right angle and ending in a flat foot. The bowl has a camel-coloured surface decorated with dark brown geometric patterns, which include zigzags and meander motifs arranged in horizontal bands around the body of the bowl and along the leg. From Attica, Early Geometric period, circa 850 BC. It sits on a light stone coloured surface in a display case at the Altes Museum in Berlin."
source: https://bsky.app/profile...
"Early Geometric period 850 BC. Altes Museum, Berlin"
Photo by Alison Fisk
"Early Geometric period 850 BC. Altes Museum, Berlin"
Photo by Alison Fisk
Oh my god that is the best
a major award
3x3
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9 albums that I love.
Oval - Dok
Einstürzende Neubauten - Fünf auf der nach oben offenen Richterskala
Bastro - Diablo Guapo
This Heat - This Heat
To Rococo Rot - John Peel BBC Sessions 97 - 99
Tarwater - Silur
Severed Heads - Since the Accident
Melt-Banana - MxBx 1998 / 13,000 Miles at Light Velocity
The Fall - Perverted by Language
Oval - Dok
Einstürzende Neubauten - Fünf auf der nach oben offenen Richterskala
Bastro - Diablo Guapo
This Heat - This Heat
To Rococo Rot - John Peel BBC Sessions 97 - 99
Tarwater - Silur
Severed Heads - Since the Accident
Melt-Banana - MxBx 1998 / 13,000 Miles at Light Velocity
The Fall - Perverted by Language
doing the thing...
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I promise to fill this in shortly...
No Slint, but almost included Rodan.
Field Studies is totally underrated
Now I have regrets for omitting Jim O'Rourke's Eureka. It's too hard.
Game Theory ++. "Lolita Nation" is so flawed, so fascinating.
I’m looking at you, Rochester!!
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we got a solid week of really nice hoodie-level fall weather...
...and then when i had a long weekend it jumped up to 88F!
(in fact, my menu bar is telling me it's almost 90 now, oy vey)
...and then when i had a long weekend it jumped up to 88F!
(in fact, my menu bar is telling me it's almost 90 now, oy vey)
We were at 90F all weekend here in Minnesota which is nuts, my blood is already thickening for the winter
@wjcstp I have a friend who’s from Rochester who now lives in St. Paul who told me on Sunday “We have crazy weather and it’s headed your way!”
Happy National Coming Out Day!
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Keith Haring illustration of a blocky person stepping through a door from a dark room. The person appears to be dancing as there are motion lines around the hand and feet, and is colored a dark yellow. The door is orange, with a green wall and purple floor. the text reads
"National coming out day October 11-1988 national gay rights advocates"
"National coming out day October 11-1988 national gay rights advocates"
38th anniversary of National Coming Out Day!
I've been out of the closet for 36 of those years, and still happily queer.
Fuck the fascists, fuck the right wing, I can love whom I want, and I'll fight like hell for those rights to be maintained for all queers, especially kids.
I've been out of the closet for 36 of those years, and still happily queer.
Fuck the fascists, fuck the right wing, I can love whom I want, and I'll fight like hell for those rights to be maintained for all queers, especially kids.
I'm glad to have you as a friend and so happy you're out and proud. Never apologize, never compromise.
I feel bad. I didn't know that was today. I would have worn my Haring T-Shirt!
28 years and counting!
thanksgiving cat
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a closeup of a black and brown tabby cat sleeping curled up on a pile of fallen leaves. Her face is in the sun, and she looks blissfully happy
Happy Thanksgiving from us, but particularly from this cat who was snoozing in the sun amongst fallen autumn leaves on our deck.
Happy Thanksgiving, friends to the North.